We shallreturn to thislater on. One thing that I noticed in documenting your trip is that you said that several of your zippers failed on your equipment. This further confused me since Maslennikov in the context of the birch sapling mentioned that it looked as if Igor tried to protect himself from the wind and Atmanaki saying that Igor was probably stuck there on the wind-swept snow. Thanks for your observation and the relevant question. Caspita, che impresa! The only way to save the situation would be to forceoneself out and quickly cover the canvas along with its content (such asboots and proper clothes) with the adjacentsnow masses - thisin order to prevent the tent withits content to sail away and to disperse in the dark. This is huge when you consider that the Dyatlov Pass is one of the greatest mysteries of all time! . Hufvudstadsbladet-Svensk expedition i Djatlovs fotspr exakt 60 r efter desnatten (13 oktober 2019). In fact,eyes are reportedas still beingin place by the pathologist, but shriveled into the back of the eye cavities. The ancient city of Petra in Jordan. SR P4 Extra (Stockholm) med Titti Schultz - (intervju med Andreas & Richard om Dyatlovexpeditionen 2019 & 1959), 19 februari, ca. This is why I think it is important to stress the bivouacs. Photo: Richard Holmgren, hat happens next on the slope could perhaps be described as a rumbling noise of a wind rapidly escalating from above (northwest). Not seldom is this a productofthe regionitself -often involvingbiblical traditions and other complex oral- and written traditions from a plethora of cultures passing by. Oh, thank you Gunnar for these words! Thanks for you question! In the podcast it is incorrectlystatedthat the first three to die were Slobodin, Dyatlov and Kolmogorova. Yes, the Dyatlov pass incident is different, but not entirely. Thus, this lead toan uneasyfeeling whencrawling out of the sleeping bag,having to put certaincold clothes on before themorning routines. Now, any person that havent experienced falling winds, would probably argue that no wind in the world can blow up this fast and with such a great force -that there would at leastbetime to put on clothes and/or shoes. Richard Holmgren & Andreas Liljegren, Dyatlov Pass, uring the summer of2018, me and my friend and expedition partner Andreas Liljegren, started to plan for our Dyatlov Pass Expedition 2019. So nice to hear that our experience and thoughts on the matter made sense to you! (9)We know for a fact, from the series of last photos taken by the Dyatlov group, that their weather conditions worsened. In fact, collapsing a tent to reduce the chances of wind damage, followed by a shielding of snow to hold the tent down, is expected in such situations. They did however already have most of their clothes on, except for the outer shells and the boots. I will try to answer you in the best way I can and if I can. Many people have asked us, predominantly in popular media, how the night on the pass underwent and ifwe were scared. SR P1 Vetenskapsradion Historia med Tobias Svanelid - "Ny teori och rapportom mystiska Dyatlovolyckan 1959" (intervju med Richard Holmgren) 4 februari 2020. frn kl. This makes the most sense out of everything I have read. A Swedish wind record for such wind is for example 81 m/s which was documented in 1992 at the Tarfala research station. SR P4 stergtland (nyheterna) Allt gick vl i mytomspunna bergspasset (intervju med Andreas & Richard efter Dyatlovexpeditionen 2019)3 februari 2019, kl. This is not a wise choice for creating a suitable sleeping surface, but vital to succumb impending winds from above. In this case the layingtent could perhaps have steered away most of the wind -. Dagens Nyheter - Svensk expedition i Djatlovs fotspr exakt 60 r efter desnatten (10 oktober 2019). katabatic (21)Studying the body positions of Kolevatov, Zolotaryov and Thibeaux-Brignolle, it seems as if they were lying snugly behind each other to keep warm. Hypothermia-related deaths are still among the most difficult cases for postmortem diagnosis in forensic medicine. 06.45. It is however more likely that all rib fractureswith indications of post-bleeding (which was interpreted as the victims having beenalive when receivingtheir injuries), aregenerated after their death (in line withV. Nagaev). Even if the pathologist in the Dyatlov case only mentioneda red substance, we can presumethat it in fact was blood as a result of hypothermia. The strongest of these winds are usually found on drops surrounding mighty ice sheets, but can also occur over cooled mountain areas similar to the topography surrounding the Dyatlov pass. 18). But perhaps most relevant is the postmortem process that a modern forensic medical studymay interpret differently from that ofVozrozhdenny's examinationin 1959 - see for exampleVladimir Nagaev's study from 2017/18(. NOTE! INTRODUCTION. The pathologist never wrote ofblood in her stomach, butsimply mentioned the presence ofa red substance. Depending on the exact location of these prints, it could perhapsrevealthe last actions of the groupbefore leaving the tent -how ahurriedteamspread out alongside the tent in order to effectively bury the wind battered canvas with snow? But it will always be up to the viewers to decide. Before getting to theposition on the mountain we also wanted, likewise to the group in 1959, tryto ski throughthe Auspiya valley inpristine snow and to set up camps in the estimated positions of 1959. Agree your Dyatlov theory, and add some common sense thoughts: fire started when shelters to rest 2 hrs, before occupation/extinguished in less than 90 min. Little did they know - and little are we still today prepared for any analogous and local occurrences. Not the least does this furthermoreindicate that they werent lost the day before when pitching the tent on the slope a sometimes presumed scenario. ", 8 March 2021. Anabatic and katabatic winds are thermally induced winds, (with katabatic sometimes also used for other downslope winds) with the mechanisms similar to a Anything thatsticksup andremainsin that position - will likely stay in the way you left it. samtHufvudstadsbladet-Svensk expedition i Djatlovs fotspr exakt 60 r efter desnatten (13 oktober 2019). Many thanks also toYury Kuntsevich,the head of the Yekaterinburg-based Dyatlov Foundation, for providing a safe heaven for Dyatlov-group relatedmaterial - not least for all the help inprovidingour new Swedish documentary with relevant photos. Your experience and theory makes better sense than any I have read thus far. However, the sacks and bags were never used since they failed to open any of their backpacks alongside an overall chaotic situation. There are also reports that the flashlight was still in a working condition when lit. Photo: Unknown. The probes were provided with a hook. )and last three maybe did not know 4 died in shelter since probably returning to tent for medical aupplies for Georgy/Yuri still alive & exspected of 4 in Den/ bloody knuckles as last 3 and Georgy tore branches from cedar (I think Zina fell for waist injury and hit Rustik & Igor)/and who fell at 15 ftl cliff between slope track & cedar(ice,snow blowing, no gloves,shoes,hats_/and one flashlight left (only 3 for 9 hikers ! The same is to say about Dubinina, laying close but in a different angle. It's the most reasonable I've seen so far and you seem to know what you are talking about. If only they had dug 15 meters further away they would have found a sufficient snow depth of about five meters. TVC (Russian Documentary -Line of Defense) - The Dyatlov Pass - beyond a mountain of lies , 27 February 2019. Grazie! Strong work. Since they didnt use sleeping bags, we can just speculate in why the last members of the group tried to reach back to the tent. If the diary indeed belonged to Zolotaryov and a pen was present, itis in stark contrast to his massive chest wounds that many believe made him inoperable. SVT Go'kvll -Gstr Richard Holmgren som medverkar i dokumentren "Mysteriet vid Djatlovapasset",programledare: Linda Olofsson, 28januari 2021. This concernsthe likelydamage to some bodies as caused by the probingsticks when searchingfor themembers of the group. Certain zippers also malfunctioned and the soft but strong G-1000 cloth in our jackets and trousers (the classic Swedish brand of Fjllrven) simply turned into crispbread. 17.00 Before you can work in a scientific manner, you need to have an idea of what you need to prove. The presence of katabatic winds is dependent on radiative cooling of the ice slopes. I have been interested in the Dyatlov Pass since listening to a podcast a few years back. you are serene . In the case of the Dyatlov group the only survivable scenario would be to run out, conceal the tent and to wait out the ordeal elsewhere, later to regain the buried equipment. Furthermore, it is not inconceivable that the farends of the tent were also left suspended on their gable supports, this in orderto retrieve the tent later. In experiencing the same preconditions, we hoped to get a sober idea of what the group went throughbefore their last night. Photo: Richard Holmgren. stersundsposten De frdas till Sibirien 60 r efter mystiska ddsfallen testar utrustningen i Tnndalen: Ingen har tidigare kt strckan p skidor (23 januari 2019). But some things remain odd. The phenomenon can be described as a ball rolling downhill by gravity, hence it is also labelledgravity wind a wind that carries high-density air from a higher elevation down a slope. Remaining on the slope in the swift wind with extreme subzero temperatures was no option - the only way to stay alive was away from the slope. Considering that this was the Dyatlov group'sfirst larger uphill challenge during their tour, carrying heavy backpacks alongside a possible time pressure to reach beyond the pass, the questionmight be pertinent - consideringdetails such astheir light dressing in the tent duringthelast evening. Anything thatsticksup andremainsin that position - will likely stay in the way you left it. . Thank you for sharing your brave experiences and for such an insightful and respectful piece written in memory of the 9 lost souls. In fact - it was exactly this that killed the Anaris group, where the only survivor escaping the shelter, was the only survivor. Considering the seemingly dimlight (? The character of the wind at Mawson there- And the eventin the Ural Mountainscan in my view perhaps be understood quite rationally. As in the case of Zolotaryov, these actions does not rhyme with deadly wounds caused early duringthe ongoing events. Lnk: https://sverigesradio.se/avsnitt/1231912 I have been intrigued with this case for years and decided to revisit recently. Assuch it doesnt necessarily differ that much from the relationship between the factualremains of the bishopric of Sodoma and the storyit was based on the legend of Sodom and Gomorrahthat is. and you know that they ignore beleiving that they know ! It is impossible to ask for something stronger . Hypothermia-related deaths are still among the most difficult cases for postmortem diagnosis in forensic medicine. You have a lot of interesting angles to complement the understanding of the case. The canvas of my anorak almost teared apart because of the ripping effect caused by fallingwinds. SVT Nyheter (video och text) - Arkeologen: Drfr dog de i den mytomspunna expeditionen (film & text), 30 januari, 2021. A katabatic wind (named from Ancient Greek (katbasis)'descent') is a drainage wind, a wind that carries high-density air from a higher elevation down a slope under the force of gravity. Gnter Wolf, dear Gnter - a big thanks to you for rewarding conversations and your enormous knowledge on winds, terrain and otherdetective worksoff distant places. Yes, it sounds plausible for me as well. Witha body temperature of around 30 degrees Celsius, most becomeunconscious. Kudos to a great production team for presenting our effort in this thrilling manner - not the least for being cartoonized, which really felt awarding. Yes indeed, the skis were found sticking up in the snow and this have also been an indication that it couldnt have been an avalanche or a snow slide. Therefore I would like to make a statementto the contrary - that, if the weather would have been calm, then any appearing and suddenly disappearing footprintswould really have posed a problem. It wouldnt surprise me if the skis were raised a bit during the time of discovery or in fact, that a falling wind never occurred. A tent that is not built for extreme winds, would rather swiftly tear to pieces if confronted with falling winds - this, unless it was saved in seconds. Initially, during the daytime, the Anaris skiing tripincluded only six persons. However, difficult skiing through the day, pitching of the tent, cooking, sawing and chopping wood, made each evening into a sleeping pill itself. Again, from the photos available there issimply no traces of an avalanche in the surrounding snow pattern. Therefore I would like to make a statementto the contrary - that, if the weather would have been calm, then any appearing and suddenly disappearing footprintswould really have posed a problem. Hypothermia means thatthebody core temperature sinks below 35 degrees Celsius.