Major difference being M 1896 had a 1x.25" sight base which used a pinned sight blade. Back in June 1876, less than three years after the Remington company received his letter of kudos, George Armstrong Custer took his cherished rolling-block sporting rifle with octagonal barrel on what would be his last campaign. V1D2 Barrel Length: 36 Bore condition: Poor, Your email address will not be published. The 1920 train robbery led to their deaths and those of three lawmen. Standard original sights. The serial number is in the 13,000 range. In the end, the commission based their decision on price and complexity. In spite of the difference in length the two cartridges were interchangeable and could be chambered and fired in both Norwegian and Swedish rifles. Click to expand. Required fields are marked *. Production was halted in 1888 and the last rifles were decommissioned in 1940. First advertised in late 1896. An especially rare factory carbine is those with a full-length, two-band forearm (150% should be added to their prices). [8] rolling-block rifles chambered for the 858mmR were shorter than the M1867 rifles, with an overall length of 1,240mm (48.8in) and a barrel length of 840mm (33.1in).[9]. 149,000 were purchased by France in the war of 1870-71. The hammer is unique in having an unusually high spur, the breechblock spur protrudes horizontally, and both have shield-shaped checkering (rather than the usual simple cross-hatching). These rifles were made in a variety of calibers, both rimfire and centerfire, including the 12.17x42 mm rimfire, 12.17x44 mm rimfire and 12.17x44 mm rimmed centerfire Swedish and Norwegian cartridges, .43 Spanish (11.15x58mmR), .50-70, .40-70, .45-70 and later in .22 caliber. Consenting to these technologies will allow us to process data such as browsing behavior or unique IDs on this site. Rolling-block rifles were used against Muhammad Ahmad's Ansar Dervishes during the Mahdist War, including at the Siege of Khartoum where General Gordon met his end. I think it is safe to assume that the rifle was made sometime in 1879 or no earlier then 1878. These easily concealable revolvers have distinct characteristics and are synonymous with both law enforcement and the hoods they pursued. Production of the Model 2 started in 1873 and lasted until 1910. Ed. When Pancho Villa raided Columbus, N.M., in 1916, many of his band carried the Model 1897 Remington rolling-block rifles or carbines in the contemporary 7.92mm Mauser cartridge, most of them probably stolen from the many rurales (rural police) armories in northern Mexico. The quickest identifying feature is the mounting of Breech Block and Hammer on screws rather than pins. by roundtop Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:15 am, Post They state that this version's serial numbers went up to about 144,000, but also that there is some overlap in the serial numbers with the second version. REMINGTON MODEL 4 ROLLING BLOCK SINGLESHOT TAKEDOWN MODEL CHAMBERED FOR 22 SHORT, LONG & LONG RIFLE. Those Egyptian rifles sold to France are the only specimens that occasionally surface in any appreciable condition. Those having 75 percent case colors or more will reap the higher price accordingly. A partial list includes: After various tests, including repeated firings, it was clear that the needle guns were not particularly well-suited. Prices below reflect the original Remington product. Remington Rolling Block is a family of breech-loading rifles that was produced from the mid-1860s into the early 20th century by E. Remington and Sons (later Remington Arms ). by Uechi Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:24 pm, Post [12] The rolling-block later saw service with George Armstrong Custer's Seventh Cavalry at the Battle of the Little Bighorn, and also in the hands of Native American braves during the Indian Wars.[13][14]. The Remington Model 4 is a rolling block, solid-breech, hammerless, takedown, top-ejection rifle. [17] Guns with decorative brass Islamic crescents and Arabic inscriptions on the buttstock are not uncommon on the collector's market. Rem No 4 rolling block cut off serial number 1899? Your low 3000 ser number would likely have been made in 1874. Meacham of St. Louis, and they were also in demand at gun shops in more out-of-the-way places. It affected both Europe and the USA. Not much info, but better then nothing. In the last year of the Civil War, the U.S. government placed an order for what became known as Remington split-breech carbines, just before Riders final improvementstrengthening the breechblock by machining it out of a solid billet of steel. The intention was to allow for cheaper training. These kits consisted simply of tubes to be inserted into the rifle from the breech, containing a chamber for the 22LR and a short barrel. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Ed. Several different cartridges and rifles were considered by the commission. The cowboys nearly all had muzzleloading rifles and cap-and-ball revolvers that all took a long time to load a drawback that could prove deadly when traveling on the Bozeman Trail through hostile Indian country. It is often difficult to determine an original Remington made variant due to many examples having half-Swedish half-Remington components. With the exception of the first 10,000 rifles and 20,000 actions (for conversions of older rifles), which were made by Remington in the US, all Remington M1867 rifles and carbines were made under license in Norway and Sweden, by Kongsberg Vaapenfabrik in Norway, and by Husqvarna Vapenfabriks Aktiebolag and Carl Gustafs stads Gevrsfaktori in Sweden with the two Swedish manufacturers producing about 80% of the weapons. Serial number- 13632. Numbers appear limited and were advertised in factory catalogs dated as late as 1882. manufactured after 1921. If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. So this rifle was manufactured between 1873-1888. Both versions are scarce. That is Five ( 5 ) years earlier then the plaque. So as a stop-gap measure rifles and carbines with rolling-block action were converted to a for that time period very modern centerfire cartridge, the 858mmR Danish Krag (bullet diameter .322 in/8.17mm, bullet weight 237 grains/15.29 grams, muzzle velocity 1,965ft per second/600m/s), with the designation "gevr m/1867-89" used for converted rifles and "gevr m/1889" used for new rifles. Sweden: 237,000-257,000 rifles and carbines, including conversions of older rifles to rolling block. Practically all had their chambers throated out to accept larger .43 Spanish bullet diameter and sold as "Spanish Model" rifles or "Greek Rifles Bushed for Spanish Cartridge" to Central and South American countries. A forum community dedicated to the great outdoors and hunting enthusiasts. In 1899-1900, Mexico bought 14,712 of these military-style rifles and carbines for issue to its second-line army troops, as well as to federal and rural police. The British Empire purchased rolling-blocks to arm the Egyptian Army during the 1870s. Meanwhile, back in the States, civilians were taking to the new Remington long arms. Over 98,000 7mm Remington Model 1897/02/10 rifles were produced until 1918. I sold my original Rolling block and the book I bought on Rolling Blocks. SKU: R2345 Categories: Remington, Remington Rifles. It was only produced in rim fire cartridges and may be found in the three variations shown here plus military and Boy Scout models. by Uechi Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:02 am, Post Using these barrel codes to date a shotgun is somewhat unreliable, as shotgun barrels are often interchanged at random. near the frame that identifies the year and month of [18][19], The French acquired 210,000 Egyptian rolling-block rifles to make up for a shortage of the standard-issue Chassepot and Tabatire rifles during the Franco-Prussian War. The state of New York held its own trials to replace its National Guard's . Note: Add 20% premium for .30/40 Krag caliber example. Probably never know anything else about the rifle' owner but it obviously had special meaning to someone and now to me. HistoryNet.com is brought to you by HistoryNet LLC, the worlds largest publisher of history magazines. History is who we are and why we are the way we are.. R2345 Serial Number 96 Remington 1-1/2 Rolling Block Sporting Rifle [A Serial number- N/A. Approximately 30,000 Swedish muzzle-loading rifles m/1860 and breech-loading rifles m/1864 (some of which had been converted from m/1860, note that the Swedish breech-loading rifle m/1864 although being referred to as a "kammarladdare" was not the same rifle as the Norwegian Kammerlader) of the same caliber, rifles that were almost new and in most cases had never been used, were also converted to M1867s using rolling-block actions made both by Remington and in Sweden. Also, a small "H" cartouche is found on left receiver, as well as on the flat of the bayonet lug, which indicates Hartley the primary contractor who had the conversions completed. by roundtop Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:57 pm, Post R2345 SERIAL NUMBER 96 REMINGTON 1-1/2 ROLLING BLOCK SPORTING RIFLE; 25-10 RF, 24 inch octagon barrel with a bright near excellent bore showing some light shadows ahead of the chamber and crisp rifling. [21] In November 1914, production of the rolling-block was resumed, in the form of a French contract for rifles in 850mmR Lebel, designated by France as "Fusil Remington modle 1914". [16] In Danish service it was replaced by the M/1889 KragJrgensen. Come join the discussion about optics, ammo, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, hunting, accessories, classifieds, and more! But initially, only the U.S. Navy showed enough interest to place a few small sporadic orders. Original rear sight is missing the elevator and the front is a replacement steel blade in front sight base. Many bank closings, and layoffs. Norwegian-Swedish rifle m/1867, from the initial batch of M1867 made by Remington in the US, Swedish rifle m/1867, made by Carl Gustafs Stads Gevrsfaktori, Swedish rifle m/1867-74, introducing a new more comfortable buttstock, Swedish rifle m/1867-89 in 858mmR Danish Krag centerfire, Swedish carbine m/1864-68-85 for artillery, train and others, Norwegian rifle M1867, made by Kongsberg Vaapenfabrik, A collection of rifles from the Fram Museum, a Remington M1867 at the bottom. Minimum price for the offer must be greater than 0% of the Product. Stamping starts with Remington,(not E Remington). Your membership also includes attendance at annual RSA meetings, annual historical seminars at Remington-related locations, and participation with fellow Remington collectors at all the major gun shows in the U.S. Click on here to take you to the sign-up page. Hi Clark, Nice rifle. On 8/9/99, stopped stamping the barrels with the date code. E. Remington & Sons, Americas oldest firearms manufacturer, took over Geigers patent and assigned one of its chief engineers, Joseph Rider, to make the necessary refinements. These are very scarce variations and practically all are stamped with the Japanese Kanji characters of Surplus/Disposed Rifle with a Japanese/Chinese character numeration on the right side of the chamber. by Uechi Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:07 pm, Post This variation is part of 9,000 to 13,000 surplus Greek 1869 Contract Models that were diverted from Greece and sold to France during Franco-Prussian War of 1870-71. It gave all the information you asked for. In 1881, about 978 rifles were sold to the Kingdom of Korea with the remainder sold as surplus to Hong Kong in 1885. Remington Model 6 Rolling block .22 - Rimfire Central Firearm Forum So, it would appear your estimate is very close. Said I never had much use for one, never said I didn't know how to use it. A whole host of different Arabic markings may be encountered. The early Remington rolling blocks (and all other commercial American firearms) used black powder as the basic propellant for all ammunition until the smokeless, nitrocellulose-based powders became available to the U.S. civilian market in the mid-1890s. Come join the discussion about hunting, fishing, survival, archery gunsmithing, optics, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! google_ad_width = 125; Some of these rifles are creedmoor rifles that we know were used in the 1874 matches. That's OK it's how you learn. The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for anonymous statistical purposes. Denmark ordered 42,000 rifles and 1,800 carbines in 11mm Danish Remington rimfire cartridge. Egypt also purchased carbines and musketoons in mid to late 1870s as well, but their numbers are unknown, however, condition of most are similar to the aforementioned. Most are encountered in well used condition, however, they are easily identified. The Smith & Wesson model 36, also known as the Chiefs Special, is one of the most distinctive revolvers to emerge from the 20th century. How do I tell which Remington Rolling Block Action I have These revolvers were designed with a snub-nose barrel, which makes it [], The Colt 1860 Army revolver, also known as the Colt U.S. Cavalry revolver, was widely during the American Civil War. Model 1897 was modified to use a more practical .25x.25" barleycorn type front sight. [6] About 7,000 short carbines with the Swedish designation "karbin m/1870" were also made, and in addition to that about 9,600 "gevr m/1864-68" were shortened to carbine length in 1886-87 and given the designation "karbin m/1864-68-85". Pattern (Modellexemplar), serial # 1. Remington Rolling Block rifle - Wikipedia These revolvers were designed with a snub-nose barrel, which makes it [], The Colt 1860 Army revolver, also known as the Colt U.S. Cavalry revolver, was widely during the American Civil War. Thousands have been imported to U.S. since the 1960s. During the 43-year period, there were 356,000 guns sold. Remington No. Remington had something radically new to offer, and the new gun temporarily saved the company from bankruptcy. Many of these were converted into hunting rifles and shotguns, so that it has become difficult to find an M1867 in its original form. Serial number 2232 features a 30-inch barrel, ladder rear sight and bayonet. Furthermore, aside from REMINGTON'S marking on the tang, all have a crown on the left frame, chamber flat, and on each barrel band.