Two questions: Sorry, theres what you read and then theres real life. The comparative recoil data shows the difference between our chosen calibers. Sep 17, 2005. For big bear defense handguns, the Smith & Wesson 629 is hard to beat. Yet the .500 Smith & Wesson Magnum handgun produces 2,254 ft.-lbs. Hes a fear pimp. The 44 magnum is almost unspeakably more powerful than the 22 rimfire, so of course it will kill a bear. Nelson says after about 20 shots, his wrist starts to swell and he can no longer shoot. Global warming? Upon second thought, I think you just honestly misunderstood my meaning, and I may have misunderstood yours in the reply I just wrote. Your comment is just what the doctor ordered. Lessons learned . 2017 by Dean. Elevated them to cult status, whether they deserve it or not. He said that handguns stop attacking bears almost 100% of the time. WHEN CLOSE TO HOUSE CHEST RIG WITH SHORT BARREL S/W .44 MAG OR SUPER RED HAWK .44 LONG BARREL. I had no expectation that the pistol would kill the bear. of energy, while the 10mm has about 728 ft.-lbs., both with a 180-grain Buffalo Bore bullet. It is all out there to do and its easy. I looked in the direction of Reed only to once again see the bear charging at me. Big credit to the guy finding his calm in that situation; it allowed him to place a well aimed shot . Since then, I have switched to a GunfightersINC chest holster. Male grizzlies will defend their territory to the death. What is the minimum caliber of handgun that would stop a grizzly bear But I can count em well enough to know it was a lot more than the tiny sample of 29 that he cherry-picked to scare you. Dude you should stop before you have a heart attack. Delivered energy at a given distance, usually measured in ft-lbs. Stay safe out there! test, none of us were looking forward to running the S&W 329 PD with the Hornady 240-grain JHP loads I had brought along. No, they had whole *lot* of time to think about how to do it, holed up in a drafty, cold cave with *nothing* to do but listen to cave-wife bitch and cake-kids squabble. I WAS STILL PRETTY DANGEROUS WHEN WOUNDED AND SAME APPLIES TO BEAR. Bruh it's a black bear not a Grizzly. It dispels the notion that pistols are useless as a defense. 44 mag ammo can help you do just that. grizzly charging at 30 mph, but the .44 magnum or better it will require is going to give you exactly one chance in 2.5 seconds to hit that bear precisely in the heart or brain. What matters more is the right bullet. Youtubes pretty good, and even has spray vs. grizzly vids too, readers. I lived in AK for a number of years in the early 70s and whenever I went fishing I carried a .44 magnum. .45-70 Government (405gr SP at 1,330fps)(1,590 ft lbs): 35.2 Besides, it only takes one trip for things to go badpotentially. Does that (true, b.t.w.) will make it easy to kill black bears. A 240-grain +P Buffalo Bore projectile carries roughly 1,600 ft.-lbs. (THIS IS A SEPARATE SUBJECT. Admit that you were wrong and apologize. Finally, always remember that proper shot placement is key when using 44 mag ammo for bear defense. Packing Pistols In Bear Country | An Official Journal Of The NRA The 44 Magnum is a powerful handgun, but it is not powerful enough to guarantee a one-shot kill on a bear. I READ STORIES ABOUT THE GUIDE WHO KILLED THE BEAR WITH A 9MM ( LUCKY ALL I CAN SAY AND HE KNEW BETTER ME THINKS THAN TO CARRY SUCH IN BEAR COUNTRY) AND ALSO THAT MONSTER GRIZZ SHOT IN ALASKA AFTER HE KILLED AT LEAST TWO HIKERS AND TOOK ON GOVERNMENT HUNTER ON DEER HUNT WHO EMPTIED 7MM INTO HIM AND BEAR FINALLY DROPPED AT HIS FEET. Bears, including grizzlies, have been killed with 22 long rifles. Some sites would have you thinking you can kill a bear with a .45 magnum even if you did manage to hit it hours before he killed you. FRIEND HAD BEAR COME THRU WINDOW ONE NIGHT SO NUFF SAID. Only one of them ended in failure. 357 Mag, and says, when it comes to handguns and bears, what matters is getting the most hits on target in the shortest amount of time. Hunting grizz is much easier than defending against a charge but both my uncles stoped charges. The 44 Mag does have its downsides. With a 3-inch barrel and a six-shot cylinder combining for a weight of just 25 ounces, this gun was made to be both carried and shot. They did not have a .44 magnum. Chuke tests 44 Mag and 10mm Underwood Extreme Penetrator on his actual Grizzly Bear Skull to dispel the urban myth that a bears skull will ward off these kin. Otherwise, anyone thinking a handgun is good for bear defense should file off the front site and lubricated really well. Since hes a doc, his wifes a doc and their hunting buddies are all doctors and/or veterinarians Im just going to assume they know what theyre on about. Polar bear attacks are expected there, and tourists are not allowed unless they carry a high powered firearm. Make sure youre familiar with your firearm and its capabilities. Ive also bothered to read Weingartens stuff for years. 2. Other guys alcohol. Elmer Keith developed it to hunt AK Brown bears. You write em and put your name on em, you have to do that heavy lifting. A handgun is just plain Darwinism in motion. Putting aside your irrelevant propagandizing about the Philippine insurrection, there is clear evidence that when comparing ball ammo, the .45 ACP is better than the .38 special and the .45 Long Colt was better than the .38 Long Colt. As I pulled the revolver out, a sudden calm came over me, and I knew everything would be fine. You have access to the Internets, just as others do. Admit that you made a mistake, Hank, and that you were wrong, and apologize. Less felt recoil means a delf defense pistol that many small frame shooters can handle. The full account is worth reading for anyone interested in the dynamics of bear attacks and the effectiveness of pistols for defense against bears. Every 1.5 pages, it tells you that youre now at the exact trail spot where yet another guy from yet another sawmill was killed by a grizzly on such and such a date. His raging confrontational writing style that relies upon fabricated facts, is so close to his that I wouldnt be surprised if it was revealed that he indeed is actually my nephew. You criticize Dean, he responds and asks you to provide a source for your criticism, and then you refuse, and do so in a self-righteous manner? Some of them are like a fog. The key to using .44 Magnum to successfully stop a large grizzly bear attack is using heavy, hardcast lead bullets and having a 6+ inch barrel to boost muzzle velocity (over short-barreled revolvers). But while our hands were fresh we shot the revolver first. A bear is not a human and self-defense rounds are not as effective on a bear as you might expect. {vacant stare}, I have lived and hunted here in Alaska for 40+years, have been face to face with bears here on a few occasions, Black, Brown, Grizzly, And Polar, Every encounter was different, only once, (so far) have I had a have to shoot situation, My hunting partner (from lower 48) and I had boated up a wonderful wilderness river, and everywhere we stopped, was covered with bear tracks, (Grizzly) ( we were Moose hunting) We stopped and made a fire and had dinner, just after dinner (8PM) my partner says BEAR!! The .357 is also available in smaller-framed revolvers that fit smaller hands, making it ideal for women and less experienced shooters. It is imperative that your bear defense gun is readily available, quick to deploy and that you can place a shot on target under extreme stress. The short barrel makes this pistol quick and easy to draw and maneuver, it is lighter than most other 44 magnum revolvers. In conclusion, using a cartridge such as the .44 Magnum is recommended when hunting black bear in order to ensure a quick and humane kill. The dog was close enough however that the spray did hit the dog right in the face. (Its the one with the 18:26 time-stamp). I am not looking to go toe to toe with a Grizzly, but if I am out bow hunting or have set down my rifle to gut a deer it is far better to have a handgun that will effectively penetrate a large animal than to scramble for my rifle if I get charged. The period of time for their data set was from 1883 to 2009. People must do that. And that was from a pretty stout rifle round, .300 Win Mag IIRC. Since the bear usually knows where you are long before you are aware of the bear, your reaction time may be considerably less than 4.5 seconds.